This recording was created at an event hosted by the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, that featured myself alongside Glenn Loury, who, as many of you know, is an economist at Brown University and host of the Glenn Show at Blogging Heads. I thought the conversation was a good one, so I’m releasing it as a standalone podcast. This conversation is a big picture discussion of the problem of race in America today, the narratives that compete for space in the mainstream media and the path forward.